Braced for good shooting

    "Boys, if the string doesn't bite your wrist, you've got it braced too high" 

     Howard Hill's words to John and Dan Schulz and something lost on most longbow shooters today.

     The following instruction sheet was given by John Schulz with new bow purchases back when he built glassed Longbows, and the sheet after that is from the era when he built non-glassed Longbows. Notice the recommended brace heights listed, and the other things that extend a Hill style longbow's lifespan.







      Schulz is saying here, what I have heard echoed by other longbow makers from years ago.  The glassed longbow is glassed for durability and to add some speed to the limb recovery, it doesn't make the bow indestructible.  Schulz mentions that the recommendations are for a lifetime of shooting pleasure. It's implied that it means a lifetime of shooting the bow that was included with the instructions.  We see today, many Schulz (and other makers') longbows that are going on 50 plus years old, still in use and we know of Hill style longbows that met their demise early.  Most of these failures in the bows are at the sight window area from what I've seen over the years.  Rarely in the limb area even though the limbs get a bit of knock-around abuse.  Then there's some abuse at the tips from the inadvertent hitting of the tips on trees, walls, ceilings, rocks, etc.  But we're going to address the usual failure and how brace height most likely affects it in this style of longbow.

     Schulz mentions in the instructions that you don't draw the bow without an arrow, and when I was with him, and he allowed me to draw his bow, it was with "his" arrow.  This was meant to keep me from overdrawing his bow longer than what it was tillered for.  He mentions not overdrawing the bow as well, and the brace height recommendations would be deemed rather low by today's standards.  We all know archers who say that overdrawing a bow will get more energy and power out of the extra inch or two of increased weight and limb travel.  This may be very true in a recurve or hybrid bow design.  In a deep core longbow...especially one of the design that Hill made popular....not so much and here's why.

     In a properly tillered Hill style longbow, per Hill's instructions in his book "Hunting the Hard Way", he says that every inch of the limb has to do its share of the work.  That means the limb bends all the way down into the handle.  A recurve or hybrid bow doesn't have that feature.  Their limbs start bending several inches away from the handle and on a very many supposed Hill style longbows, a braced and drawn bow will show that the limbs start bending to any great degree sometimes mid limb at least. This feature takes pressure of the draw force away from the handle.  Their working limbs are shorter and quicker to recover and the shock of the limbs' forward motion is absorbed by the non-working limb and handle.  On a proper Hill style longbow, the limbs bend all the way into the handle and the handle itself becomes part of the tiller and alignment of the bow.  Much like a selfbow in this regard.  And, much like a selfbow, the first time a Hill style longbow is drawn, the belly lams of the bow compress in the lam materials to the belly side, which causes the back side to have more tension.  As a Hill style longbow is tillered properly down to weight, the forces of the draw and weight compression are tillered as part of the bow.  You only bend the bow a little at first, gradually tillering as you increase the draw length and then you stop at the desired full draw length of the shooter.  Almost everyone understands that overdrawing a selfbow beyond the tillered draw length will drastically reduce performance and start the process to an early bow failure.  Adding glass to the bow makes it almost indestructible in most archers' minds, but that isn't the case.  It only prolongs the shooting life.

     Schulz was building a bow for a lifetime of shooting.  He expected the bow to last that long for the shooter.  And that is much the case for the older bows still in use by shooters who've never overdrawn their bow.  A lot of older Hill style longbows built 50 or more years ago.  This is not so common in the fairly new used bow market. Shooters think they can get any ol' longbow and shoot it with any ol' draw length they wish, because the bow weight was marked at 27" or 28" and it doesn't hurt the bow to shoot it at 30"...does it?  Not according to the internet pros.  Well, Schulz thought so, and so did other Hill style longbow makers and their pupils...namely Don Burdette, Dale Phillips, John Watson, Del Allen, Pete George and the Schulz boys among others.  They were known to recommend not drawing or shooting any of their bows at lengths longer than what was listed on the bow.  This information however, was usually not passed down to any future owners / shooters of the bows. After a bow changed hands a few times, new owners would wonder why there was a crack at the sight window of the bow...when did that happen?  It's called riser flex and it happens because a Hill style longbow has a short handle and the handle is bending a bit with the drawing of the limbs.  When you draw the limbs into a tighter arc than was originally tillered, you are creating a lot of internal stress on the fadeouts and sight window,  and also creating a breakdown of the lam materials towards the belly side, which reduces the amount of limb recoil speed that was originally possible.  Schulz built thousands of bows in this design and he knew his stuff.  Other bowmakers that don't have as deep a limb core, have a higher glass to core ratio, and their limbs may not bend all the way to the handle...and this issue is not a problem for their bows.  But then, maybe their bows can be called an ASL but not a Hill style.  Here again, there is a difference due to the design that is lost on a lot of casual observers.

       When you shoot one of these Hill style longbows with a brace height that is 1" up to 2" higher than was originally meant by the builder, you are basically compressing the longbow with what is essentially a longer draw length; because the bow is again, being drawn into a tighter arc.  Failure might not happen immediately, but the clock is ticking to failure.

       Hill said the string should bite the wrist. That means you probably would need a bracer or armguard.  Nothing wrong with that.  You never saw him or his disciples shooting without one. They are good to keep the string from slapping your wrist, and as an added feature, give some protection from the chance of an arrow breaking upon release.

      There are those who say that they need to have a higher brace height in order to tune their bow and arrow setup.  I don't believe that is true.  If the brace height is lower, it adds more power stroke to the bow and the string carries into the bow further, which will essentially stiffen the spine. So shoot lower spine arrows.  Easy fix. Or add a touch of arrow length or tip weight...just a touch because you don't want a dart with a heavy head...remember arrow balance?   However, I think that lowering the brace height to a range that Schulz recommended makes the bow draw smoother and easier.  Arrow speed is a touch faster as well.  I shoot 6" brace or less on all my bows and know some who shoot around 5 1/2" with no issues of tuning arrows, carbon or wood or whatever.  If you want to lower yours, just do it and then don't tune a single arrow or change a single thing, except to go out and just shoot the bow for about 500 shots with your existing arrow setup.  Don't worry about any tuning at first.  Just shoot.  After about 500 shots you'll start to forget what the bow felt like before at the higher brace and with your relaxed form (not stressing about if the brace height changed your tuning), you'll be shooting freely and I'd wager that your arrow flight will not change much if at all. WE get worked up on the nuances of tuning and most of the time, like Schulz said, it's the archer that needs tuning, not the bow.  So just shoot and enjoy the feel of the bow, knowing you aren't overstressing it.  Get to understand your bow and shoot it for a lifetime and it will become an extension of you. 

      At the bottom of the Schulz list, he says to practice and shoot your bow until it becomes a part of you and the bow will give you years of shooting pleasure.  Keeping the brace low and the bow from being overdrawn will give you a very long relationship with your bow....and will help you to...

     Shoot Straight.

Comments

  1. Nate, great information as usual. Question, how does this effect a bow that is built for a 28" draw but only drawn to 26"? I have seen people do this many times. A lot of guys think they have a 28" draw when with a Hill style bow they draw an inch or two less. I think this happens a lot when a bow is bought used.

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  2. Drawing short of the tillered draw length doesn't hurt anything at all.

    And there are bowmakers who don't tiiller that way. They just have a standard bow length for different draw lengths, and the limbs stop bending short of the handle so there isn't the added stress to the handle.

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  3. the low Brace on a Hill style works great- took me a bit to figure that out - always ran too high- but they do shoot better with a lower brace

    I'm running a tad higher than Schulz recommends for a 64" bow (5 7/8" ) but that is just above a hard wrist slap for me

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  4. Wow,kind of a timely post,for me at least!
    Ive been leaving my Hill Jack strung,since I'm either shooting it or taking it hunting as much as possible.
    Seems it was getting better and better arrow flight,so checked my braceheight. I normally use my "thumbs up" way of checking it,and noticed it was a bit lower then ive had it at. Was at about 6 3/8" now its at 6 1/8 ". Going to drop it down lower and see how things go
    Having watched quite a few YouTube videos,it seems most guys dont wear armguards,so thought id try it. Well,after a few shots,learned i best be using one all the time,lol!
    I worried a bit about how my feathers would sit on the shelf,since i use 5 1/2" feathers,and if theyd make a bit of noise when i started drawing back,but no issue Ive heard

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  5. My feathers sit on the shelf pretty much and it's not an issue

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    1. I agree!
      Did some close bale shooting tonight,and set my braceheight at 6". Man,it sure cleared up my arrow flight. I backed up to the width of our arena,which is about 22 yards,and they flew like bullets!

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  6. I can't say enough for your articles and how it has improved my hill style shooting. I reduced my brace height on my 66 inch Hill Jack from 6 and 3/8 to 5 and 3/4. Unbelievable the performance gain and it's even quieter then before(no silencers). Keep the information coming please.

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    1. I just sent Jim an email about us using low brace heights and if its recommended as far as warranty is concerned. Have you asked Georgia or him about it?

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    2. I've not...but I've also never heard of any bowyer having an issue with lower brace heights...it's easier on the bow.

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    3. Jim replied and said go as high or as low as you want.

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    4. Each bowyer will know their bows.

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  7. This Blog is all about collecting into one place, as much information as possible concerning the entire methodology of the Hill style. Like Schulz once said, "it works because it's the true Hill style". If people would give an honest attempt to putting into practice these methods, they'll find that these methods do indeed, work. Thanks for positive comments.

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  8. Very interesting. My dad was one who shot all his bows at the lowest brace height that he could,

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  9. I ask John Schulz about string slap in 1996 at the NALS shoot on (Too Shorts ) property in Montana . He said IT suppose to !

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  10. If a lower brace height adds more power stroke to the bow, shouldn't we use a stiffer arrows?

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  11. No, it makes the arrow act stiffer because it's throwing it further into the bow before it starts flexing around the bow. Stopping the string short with a high brace gives the arrow more time to flex around the bow, which makes it act weaker

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  12. Nate, what about the bowyers recommendations? David Miller recommends 6"- 61/2" on his glassed bows. I have my Miller bows at 6" and it feels great. Ant lower and I get quite a bit of vibration.

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    1. Following the bowyer's recommendations is always a good thing. I don't know why you'd get any vibrations though. If you're using a Dacron string there may be some string hum? Depending on his model and how tight the tips keep the string through braced tension

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    2. With going low,is the noise of the string hitting your armguard something to consider,or just part of it?

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    3. It's never been an issue for me, and judging from the amount of game shot by longbowmen including Hill... who have armguards with divots worn in them from string slap...I think the noise isn't an alarming thing

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  13. Very true Nate! Knowing this now,think ill try mine even lower then the 6" its at now!

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  14. I'm going to add on to an earlier comment about how lowering brace height has improved the performance and feel of the bow. I lowered the brace height quite a bit on my straight limb selfbow. Prior to lowering the brace it was very rough in the hand to shoot. A lot of hand shock!! Now it shoots very very smooth. What a world of difference the lower brace height made even on a hickory selfbow! Again thank you for opening up my way of thinking on how I have been shooting! Paul

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  15. Great content, Nate! Got one of those sheets from John with my 70 lb "Granpa" bamboo bow. Love to see a post about bow length matched to draw. Thanks for all you do!

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